Lack of moderation on LAG



  • Yes i named it LAG, so that you idiots have a reference as to what i address this topic.

    The Problem: There is a big lack of enforcing any fair play disturbing connection problem policy, going hand in hand with a lack of understanding what this problem actually entails.

    I was just on the holy pasta server, where there were a couple of players with serious connection problems. 74 for example had a very stable ping, but his pj jumped all over the place, and hence his player model warped like the USS enterprise.
    I don't think I have to point out the disadvantages for other players, when in such situations....

    Ultron master admin didisan showed up and when I urged him, to do something about LAGgers, he mistakenly in his infantile foolishness, advised all 300+ people from Australia to literally 'FIX YOUR PING'... whilst letting warping flagrunners roam free.

    I don't want to blame just didisan, although he is the worst admin I've come across since Dingo_Motherfucktino (yes cs4, i deny your existence here). I've seen multiple masters on the server doing nothing about LAGgers, who obviously take advantage of their connection (when being made aware of this, they respond with a dickish attitude).
    Comparing this to the overcautious behaviour, the same admins display towards 'cheater suspects', which so often turn out to be veteran players, falling outside of the conceivable skill range of the present master, THIS IS INDEED A CONCERNING MASTERING PRACTICE FOR THE MOST POPULAR PUBLIC SERVER. Especially, because one can as well argue that intentional use of a faulty connection as being unfair play, which makes it EQUIVALENT TO CHEATING.

    I'm fully aware, that many kids only believe what they want and that a faulty connection often isn't seen from the other side.
    I'm not here to hear how poor those kids are and how they have to rely on wifi, because their 13 bedroom estate doesn't allow cable shafts to be drilled through the marble floors. I don't give a shit about them, I merely address the selective enforcement of the violation of fair play: WHICH IS SHIT.

    PS: Note I'm not blaming GustavoTheGreat here, he does a marvellous job behind the scenes and I wouldn't want to play big daddy for all you kids neither. It's up to the rest of the masters, to educate themselves and change their mastering behaviour.

    "It was Back Door Sluts # 9." (The Return of the Fellowship of the ring to the Two Towers)

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  • Masters

    Marvellous comments!
    So nice to hear such positive feedback ...... My faith in humanity is restored.

    Noli nothis permittere te terere

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  • star - master of disinformation no. 2 :)



  • those comments.... fuckin assholes, as always

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  • there you go again... lol,, keep calm star.

    no. 2 will not be as bad as no. 1 eheheh



  • CockseSuckar4 sucks cock!

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  • @DipShitStar Welcome back Star ! :-)
    On Didisans' defense, masters are mere servants and enforcers. If we make a mistake and piss of the Sauer gods we are also warned by the Admin,i.e. the masters have masters too. So caution is better than stubbornly jumping to conclusions. Didisan has made a lot of good calls as a result of his cautious and conscientious methods. How can you tell the difference between a veteran player and a cheater using aimbot simply by being a spectator? I was once faced with such a decision, but thanks to my conscientious approach and the presence of @GustavoLapasta , I did not ban a very skilled veteran player. It is not that easy, Sauer is old and a lot of players have come and gone before some of us were even masters, better yet, before we even started playing this game.
    Unless someone posts a copy of the world map and states the maximum ping allowed per EACH country in order to play Sauer, lagging will always be an issue. Laggers can also be someone with a bad internet package, crappy modem or an infomaniac with too many tabs and downloads running. This is why it is better to warn first,twice and then go full butthole-mode and use the kick command.
    Also, try not to forget than masters are players too. We are also playing the game while other players are complaining about a possible cheater or when someones' ping is so high, that it is no longer in our solar system. We have to multitask , and very often it comes at the expense of our teammates and the game as a whole. Decisions have to be made while we are being shouted at, insulted or even accused of favoring certain players.
    Its not easy, but we do our best to keep the reputation of Sauer masters intact while being as fair as we can to everyone else.



  • @DipShitStar what happened to relax and have fun star? It seems the ordeals you had to go through have changed you D: I'm sad


  • Masters

    The fact I was offline for 1 day and this happens all I say is...... fk off, we as masters can only do so much, we can't force ppl to fix lag from the start, only warn them, after that we take action as we see is appropriate to the situation... we ain't around all the time but when we are we do are best, less h8 more love.


  • Masters

    Fritz... an absolutely eloquent and CORRECT response ... I am VERY impressed!

    Elsewhere is a Thread regarding Extra Server Lag on the day in question.... Gosh maybe that has something to do with it???????

    Invoke the ASSHOLE POLICY if all else fails!

    Noli nothis permittere te terere

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  • @Fritz_Fokker said in Lack of moderation on LAG:

    @DipShitStar Welcome back Star ! :-)
    ... bla bla ... Didisan has made a lot of good calls as a result of his cautious and conscientious methods. ... bla bla bla....

    just no.

    better: exacly never, his moderation originates in a deep well of anger and dissapointment. just look at his comment before he kicked Acuerta: quote: "I don't care, I just do it and then deal with the consequences later." clearly admitting, that he knows he's doing something WRONG with conscience.
    and if that's not enough objection, read what he said afterwards: ".. just being w00p doesn't give you the right to cheat .."
    bitch please

    How can you tell the difference between a veteran player and a cheater using aimbot simply by being a spectator? I was once faced with such a decision, but thanks to my conscientious approach and the presence of @GustavoLapasta , I did not ban a very skilled veteran player. It is not that easy, Sauer is old and a lot of players have come and gone before some of us were even masters, better yet, before we even started playing this game.
    Unless someone posts a copy of the world map and states the maximum ping allowed per EACH country in order to play Sauer, lagging will always be an issue. Laggers can also be someone with a bad internet package, crappy modem or an infomaniac with too many tabs and downloads running. This is why it is better to warn first,twice and then go full butthole-mode and use the kick command.

    Very good points you make here, but you see, I wasn't talking about any of them. I was talking about the lack of moderation and the selective policy as to what you deem necessary to act upon, NOT THE WAY YOU DO SHIT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO SHIT ...

    Also, try not to forget than masters are players too. We are also playing the game while other players are complaining about a possible cheater or when someones' ping is so high, that it is no longer in our solar system. We have to multitask , and very often it comes at the expense of our teammates and the game as a whole. Decisions have to be made while we are being shouted at, insulted or even accused of favoring certain players.
    Its not easy, but we do our best to keep the reputation of Sauer masters intact while being as fair as we can to everyone else.

    Quit whining already, you took on the job to be a master, that means you've asked for the responsibility to care about the wellbeing of the other players first, and then think about your own fun. OR WHY DID YOU BEG FOR MASTER IN THE FIRST PLACE? one might suspect the real reason is a certain amount of compensation for something little....

    The fact remains: you guys don't do the job you are supposed to, when it comes to LAG.

    now be nice and improve your mastering skills in the future, or leave the master key at the door. you are obviously not worth of the power given upon you by the mighty GodLaPasta.

    @Shikijo

    @DipShitStar what happened to relax and have fun star? It seems the ordeals you had to go through have changed you D: I'm sad

    Assholes happend.

    @mikeyboy20

    The fact I was offline for 1 day and this happens all I say is...... fk off, we as masters can only do so much, we can't force ppl to fix lag from the start, only warn them, after that we take action as we see is appropriate to the situation... we ain't around all the time but when we are we do are best, less h8 more love.

    EXACTLY!!!!

    finally one who gets it!!!! NOW PLEASE DO IT, TOO!!!! WILL YOU BE SO GOOD????

    "It was Back Door Sluts # 9." (The Return of the Fellowship of the ring to the Two Towers)

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  • @DipShitStar What @mikeyboy20 said is true. I simply elaborated on it and put my own experiences into the mix. By the way, I knew what I was getting into when I signed up to be master. As a master I spend as much (if not more) time as a spectator, overseeing the general game-play than actually playing the game itself. A lot of masters do the same too. It is no longer about coming to Sauer and shooting shit up. It's about babysitting a group or international man-childs and trying to sneak in a game or two.
    A lot of people complain about what masters should and should not do. As far as laggers are concerned, as I mentioned before;
    "Unless someone posts a copy of the world map and states the maximum ping allowed per EACH country in order to play Sauer, lagging will always be an issue. Laggers can also be someone with a bad internet package, crappy modem or an infomaniac with too many tabs and downloads running. This is why it is better to warn first,twice and then go full butthole-mode and use the kick command."
    You want to help solve a problem? Take the lead in trying to solve it. I am not trying to be ironic, just look around
    @altcineva did it :
    http://pastaland.ovh/topic/102/master-todo-list
    and the great @GustavoLapasta did it too:
    http://pastaland.ovh/topic/23/pastaland-master-for-dummies
    How about you come up with an acceptable ping per state guideline and post it for all to see? I will be very happy to kick out an Australian with a high ping (as they usually have) if you could tell me what the maximum ping for Australia is? Or kick out an Italian( probably the bossmans' neighbor) because he is on a dial up internet plan from 1995 and has high ping even though he is a few houses away from the server.
    But as it is a lot of what we do as masters depends on what we think is right. In most cases all works out well.
    So.......... how about you throw us a lifeline after unwinding and make a thread like some of us have and state your approach to things, minus the insults.
    I still have lots of respect for you Dipshit. Never lost it.





  • @DipShitStar said in Lack of moderation on LAG:

    The Problem: There is a big lack of enforcing any fair play disturbing connection problem policy, going hand in hand with a lack of understanding what this problem actually entails.
    ..
    74 for example had a very stable ping, but his pj jumped all over the place, and hence his player model warped like the USS enterprise.
    ..

    ... in his infantile foolishness, advised all 300+ people from Australia to literally 'FIX YOUR PING'... whilst letting warping flagrunners roam free.
    ..
    I've seen multiple masters on the server doing nothing about LAGgers, who obviously take advantage of their connection (when being made aware of this, they respond with a dickish attitude).
    ..
    I'm fully aware, that many kids only believe what they want and that a faulty connection often isn't seen from the other side.
    I'm not here to hear how poor those kids are and how they have to rely on wifi, because their 13 bedroom estate doesn't allow cable shafts to be drilled through the marble floors. I don't give a shit about them, I merely address the selective enforcement of the violation of fair play: WHICH IS SHIT.
    ...

    @Fritz_Fokker
    As you seem to be unable to read, I took the libery to highlight certain things, which I thought I made very clear in the first post. Thanks for nothing.

    "It was Back Door Sluts # 9." (The Return of the Fellowship of the ring to the Two Towers)

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  • @DipShitStar I understood you the first time DipShit. That is why I suggested you make a new thread and outline what YOU think masters SHOULD DO. Minus all the insults and irony.



  • are you seriously this stubborn?
    I TOLD YOU, JUST DO SOMETHING.

    BECAUSE MY CLAIM IS : YOU ACTUALLY DON'T DO SHIT ABOUT IT

    I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU DO, BUT SITTING THERE AND JUST LETTING ASSHOLES TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR RETARDED CONNECTION, ISN'T GOOD MASTERING PRACTISE.

    HOW EVER, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO THINK ABOUT THIS BY YOURSELF:

    THINKS I DID WHEN I WAS MASTER CONCERNING CONNECTION PROBLEMS ARE:

    • Speak to the person and point out their connection is wrong
    • Tell them, that they can't play here with a bad connection
    • Tell them, there is a guide on pastaland.ovh with things they could try
    • Tell them, that if they will be removed from the game after the 5th admontion
    • Remove them from the game if they aren't complying
    • Remove them from the game if they are a dick about it
    • Help them if they are utterly incompetent
    • Tell them stop porn downloading
    • Tell them stop torrents
    • Tell them to use cable, not wifi
    • Tell them to punch their stupid brothers/sisters in the stommach
    • Tell them to stop youtube or other music streaming
    • Tell them to stop streaming
    • Tell them why it's important that they stop lagging
    • Tell them not to take the flag when they lag
    • Tell them they are assholes, if they act like a flying Fucks_Fucker
    • Tell them, that warping around isn't considered a personal skill
    • Spectate them first, if they don't respond at all (maybe because of language barrier)
    • Tell others speaking the laggers language to tell them what is the problem
    • Fight with LEO, to explain him why I kicked some resistant LAGGER
    • Fight with TUNIX who immediately claims auth abuse on ANY KICK WHATSOEVER
    • Insert the reason for the kick as: lagger
    • Tell them, that their ping might be OK but their connection isn't
    • Tell them again, that their ping might be OK but their connection isn't BECAUSE THEY FUCKIN WARP ALL OVER THE PLACE

    ... and the like...

    honestly, it wasn't a problem for my reasonable thinking mind to come up with but one action.
    you seem to be too stubborn to exercise your own mind, though. maybe you are a spoiled brat who gets everything fed with a silver spoon, maybe you are just utterly lazy, or maybe you get off on those discussions, without really getting the point, but still shouting like KINGKONG from the rooftops. I don't know, but:

    YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY AN ADORABLE KITTEN WHICH GOT FUCKED BY AN ELEPHANT, WISHING IT WOULD GET POSTNATAL ABORTED *

    *[this part might have been moderated and then rectified]

    "It was Back Door Sluts # 9." (The Return of the Fellowship of the ring to the Two Towers)

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  • also, read the topic title.

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  • @DipShitStar ahhhhhhhhhh finally! :-)
    Thank you for posting a list of recommendations( as I was suggesting earlier). I will never be as smart as you DipShit. I apologise :-( . But your wisdom is indeed of great value.
    Thank you once again.



  • Fuck_fritz

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  • tl;dr, star's right. I think the other responses also tl;dr'd, or they'd be more intelligent responses.



  • *BUMP

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