Conspired against, and unfairly banned


  • Masters

    maybe @Obstriegel could find something in the logs. Did you shoot teamates for a long time? What is the nature of your ban message?


  • Masters

    @bertolt_brecht Why should Obst waste his time if a player makes a blank statement? a guy can write 4 or 5 sentences .... when, where, who and on which server)
    Many children do not understand the difference between right and wrong. Some players believe that they can kill the master several times ... it's so much fun. Are they waiting for the limit of the TK? in vain. Some players think they can jump and stop a teammate from playing. Is this a crime? of course not. but then they are surprised and start crying. A player with a jumping ping with a difference of 150-200 units does not understand why he is going to rest in the spectrum. the most depressing thing for me is that they cannot clearly articulate and describe their problem in order to get a truly correct answer


  • Masters

    @julia i agree with you, that's why i said maybe. If obst is nice he could help otherwise i asked him questions to tell us more info about his problem.



  • You are both correct. Let me explain my actions, and what has led to my ban. Also for clarification purposes, let me clarify that I have been playing under the character name of Mafia:
    This started roughly a week ago. One of the administrators, I feel, was trying to play too much of a “god” when having such a role. That administrator would often force balance teams, and force people into spectator roles. While this is under their umbrella of responsibilities, I believed it to be taken too extremely. My tipping point occurred when that administrator, in my opinion, did nothing short of harass one of the players for his ping situation. The administrator placed him in spectate mode several times for his ping issues, and this eventually led to him being kicked out of the game. This was despite the majority of the players coming to his defense saying the ping was not an issue. Every time I looked at it, I viewed his ping around 150 to 200. Not excessive in my opinion. Other players commented that that the player was not Lagging and jumping positions from their view. Despite this, he was run out of the game.

    This is a game after all. It is a game. Some people are unable to get a good internet connection. Some people either work, or go to school all day, and they come home trying to play a game to relax, and enjoy themselves. I felt the player was unfairly treated. Unfortunately, us as common players do not have much power over an administrator. This is what caused my retaliatory actions.

    After the character was ran out of the game, I wanted to show my displeasure for the action, and in my way, stick up for this player’s unheard voice. So on the next map, I chased the administrator half way across the map with my chainsaw, and committed my first and only teamkill of the game. This is where it would have ended, except after that one teamkill, I was kicked from the game myself. There is a reason that the game allows teamkills, and allows a general teamkill number per game. Agree with it or not, there is a reason it is allowed to a degree. I saw it as the common players only good way to voice our displeasure. To me it was a retaliatory move, such as a bean ball in baseball. To be kicked after that single teamkill, made it not feel like a game, but to instead be oppressed by a tyrant. This is what led to my next actions.

    Following the ending of that banning sentence, when I saw that administrator online, still playing “god”, I would make an effort to play near them. This resulted in many teamkills by me, some on purpose, some on accident. It was always the same story, after each teamkill, whether on purpose or on accident, I would be placed into spectator mode, until I was finally kicked.

    What pushed me over the edge towards the end, was when I realized the “god” capabilities were extended to mute me from the chat, disallowing what really is the enjoyment of the game for me and for many, having conversations with my online friends. The way I discovered this: one of these acquaintances commented on my silence, because I always engage in conversations that help us all enjoy the game more. Taking away the fun part of the game for me, made it not worth playing at all. That was the only game where I blatantly teamkilled the administrator until I was kicked, because there was no way to communicate that I wanted to continue my conversations with my friends. Once again, I felt us common gamers had our voices silenced, and unheard. This time quite literally. It pushed me to a greater rage.

    The next day, when my ban was lifted, I wanted to ruffle feathers. I started running my mouth about cheating in the game. Despite spectators watching me play, and commenting on how all of my shots seemed legit, it helped lead to this permanent ban for false cheating allegations.

    Personally, I am flattered. My game must be good enough that I must cheat to be this good. There is no credible evidence that I have ever, or even have the means to cheat at this game. Instead, I feel the haste move to get me kicked, was because the ‘gods’ of this game do not want anything other than loyal subjects that bow to their every demand. This is a game, and should only be fun, and should be fun and able to be enjoyed by all. Those with good internet connections, and those without good internet connections. I will not change how I feel. I feel this administrator let the power go to their head, and feels the need to alter the game play in order to show their place at the top.


  • Masters

    @Cowboy I will repeat the previous entry using a specific name. Mafia player deliberately chooses the way to interfere with the game of other players. for 30 seconds he interferes with playing and specifically obscures the view. he gets a spectrum as a warning. Mafia displeased. God punished him. Mafia calls the master a green bitch and gets mute. Mafia is not happy again. the only thing he can do is kill the master several times in a row. the result is predictable. Mafia can tell how many times he used this technique. 5 games? 10? I'm sorry, my young friend, I have a different look at pleasure and joy, I have a different look at the discipline and behavior of a real man. Alas, we know what happens after that ....
    I hope you understand what the word "wrong" means and will not repeat these mistakes in the next games.


  • Masters

    @julia said in Conspired against, and unfairly banned:

    ...green bitch .... discipline...a real man.....

    and mafia :)


  • Masters

    @tuta )0_1539157906295_depositphotos_3316439-stock-illustration-mafia-is-immortal.jpg



  • @julia haha, that is one of the most beautiful Mafia pictures I have seen.


  • Masters




  • Masters

    @Cowboy is this topic closed? or do you have more sins? you have to think hard. my attitude towards you depends on it in the future....I do not respect the liars....



  • @julia I have stated my case, and the reasoning for my actions. I am not here simply to detail what I have done. I am here to explain the reasoning behind my actions, and to bring to light some of the flaws that I see behind the handling and politics of this game.


  • Masters

    @Cowboy unfortunately you are not interesting for me
    anymore



  • @julia And we successfully confirm my suspicion, between this, and the Bore-O-Meter thread that I am being "Conspired against, and unfairly banned". Nothing more than a pawn of amusement for the political, tyrannical, playing of 'god' that has been happening. I rest my case simply because I have at least pointed out the flaws that I have seen, and now first handedly experienced. While it would be in my best interest to just fold over, and cower as a response to this; I will not. I still stand strong pointing out the corruption that is infecting the great game of Sauerbraten. It is a shame and a disgrace. Absolutely disgraceful.


  • Masters

    Cowboy i would suggest next time to give map and time of that ping incident happen. Then we can check if that master was extreme or not. There is a mechanism of auto spectating players with unstable ping but the master can do that too. That server has some rules, i understand that some ppl do not have good connection but 1) they can always make it stable but they don't care to find why 2) there players like me who want to enjoy the game without laggers. So for those and other reasons there is this rule to warn first and then spectate the player with unstable ping.

    Of course there are masters who are wrong and we should check on this but it is not on you to take justice in your hand and troll the master on the next game. Masters are there to ensure the game run smoothly without cheaters. If you troll them then its fair to ban you. I would do the same.

    There is no conspiracy here. You played with fire and got burn. As for the other incident we could investigate it more but only if that person abusing players on everyday base.


  • Masters

    @bertolt_brecht Two football players from top league in my country drank a lot after the match this week. they beat several people who made a warning to them ... an ordinary cafe .... but some of the victims were high-level government officials. the whole country demands to punish them as much as possible according to the lawbook and prohibit playing football forever... but the guys do not understand that they did wrong. they had enjoy ...
    it wouldn’t have happened if the chairs were screwed to the floor .. they say.
    it wouldn’t have happened, the bad connection is to blame for everything ... they say


  • Masters

    @miu когда Нагиев сглазил Кокорина.:)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kYlprOaRNc


  • Masters

    @Cowboy Hi!

    First of all I would like to thank you for your long explanation.
    I don't think we have read each other before and None of the masters banned you, I banned you based on the evidence which was provided to me and I gathered myself.

    There are no gods here. We are all human beings making mistakes.
    Things can heat up in this game sometimes.
    I looked over what you chat about and it is mostly game related so there should be no reason to mute you.

    Long story short: When there are multiple people telling me you cause trouble and I see the trouble in the logs I ban you. Because it is in my best interest that people (master or not) have fun on the server and not get into trouble.

    This whole thing came to my attention when someone posted a log of you playing on another server where you said that you would cheat now and nobody cares and blah blah... I mean why would anyone do something like this? You explained some of your motivation for this here which I am thankful for but still it is something stupid to do and you do not even apologize for it.

    And besides that you do it also with a name from someone else (who is not a master or moderator nor an administrator) and steal their identity. This is what really bothers me and made me ban you.

    As you described already you wanted to "help" someone because he got put into spectator because he had a bad ping or something.
    julia already pointed out that this is common practice.

    The masters are advised to warn people but some simply ignore warnings.
    Actually the server does it automatically when it detects a too high time variation of received packets.
    This is done because it affects all the other players.
    It is not like we are playing chess via letters here where you say pawn c2 to c3 every week, it is a fast paced first person shooter which was designed with 1999 56k modems in mind and is already very forgiving for people with high latency connections.
    We do not look at high ping, we look at jumping "pj" values!
    In most of the cases people know they lag and they can fix it. You can have too many background applications downloading or uploading stuff, other people in your local network doing stuff for example.

    Now the way you chose was to assume that the masters here who are needed to enforce some basic rules and integrity of the game "play god" and treat you badly and therefore you have to turn into a dick and
    talk bullshit about cheating using a name of someone innocent and not involved in this (john-117)
    and attack masters verbally and by teamkilling.

    Then you wonder why you get banned.

    The correct way would have been to ask the masters why they do something and look to contact an administrator. For example I am an administrator, I run the server, a-monster is an administrator too.

    You talked about that bean ball foul play. Yeah, I don't know much about baseball but I know German football/soccer .. yea you can do bad things to some player but it is up to the referee if they see it and how they react to it. If they see it as something serious or not they decide what to do. Sauer is not much different here.
    Once again when you have a problem with the decisions of one particular master contact me or a-monster, another admin or master and we look into it.

    I am gonna add some case regarding myself here:
    I just got banned today from a server in another game....
    Because I got three yellow cards I am banned for one week it says. The server did that automatically because I ragequit an "accounted" game (which means it is balanced and statistics are recorded).
    Yesterday I completed a game there which took 64 minutes and it was painful. It has integrated voice chat and we had a bunch of noobs there, I told them what to do but we could just not finish the game.
    Nevertheless we won at the end.
    The other two times I got a yellow card were also because I quit "mid game" but it was like half my team was afk standing in base and I saw no point in playing then but the server does not see this.
    Also there are no admins I can contact about it. There is this website: http://sek2000.net/ Try to find someone to contact. No chance!

    But today it was so painful because we already almost won and then slowly losing control of the map again and it made me so upset I stopped being nice and started insulting one particular player I gave clear instructions before in a kind way.
    Not even the players or admins banned me, it was me, I knew this was gonna happen and I accept it.
    One week ban for actually ragequitting once in a public game.

    The big difference here is that I cannot direct my anger towards some people because I know that an algorithm made this choice to ban me. And you direct your anger against people who did not even ban you. You should direct it towards me if at anyone. And again all I see is people complaining about your behavior, then looking into logs and seeing you start to fake innocent peoples names doing shit.



  • @Obstriegel In light of your post Obstiegel, Julia, I want to apologize to you for several of my misguided lashes. They were uncalled for.

    I would also like to point out the discrepancy between your punishment and mine... your 1 week ban, and my lifetime ban.

    I do not disagree with what you said Obstiegel, there is not much I can say in my own defense at this point.


  • Masters

    @Cowboy Lifetime ban hehehe. I removed it.
    Next time you feel someone is not treated fairly you know you can just drop a message here or tell me in the chat (this forum has also a chat function). Or contact a-monster or h8 or any other master.

    There is also this discord chat program...

    In any case I still do not know who of the masters caused the trouble for you in the first place as you have not told me. If you do not say the name to me, which you can do also in private I can't do anything about it.

    Happy fragging


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